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Podcast notes
Books and media we talk about:
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The Paper Magician by Charlie Holmberg
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The Forgetting Moon by Brian Lee Durfee
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A Night of Blacker Darkness by Dan Wells
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How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy by Orson Scott Card
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Save the Cat by Blake Snyder
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Safehold by David Weber

About our Guests
Charlie N. Holmberg is a Wall Street Journal and Amazon bestselling author, whose debut series, The Paper Magician, has been optioned by the Walt Disney Company. Her stand-alone novel, Followed by Frost, was nominated for a 2016 RITA Award for Best Young Adult Romance, and her novel The Fifth Doll won the 2018 Whitney award for Speculative Fiction. She is a board member for Deep Magic Ezine. Visit her at www.charlienholmberg.com.

Brian Lee Durfee is an artist and writer raised in Fairbanks Alaska and Monroe Utah. He has done illustrations for Wizards of the Coast, Tolkien Enterprises, Dungeons & Dragons, Humane Society Wildlife Land Trust (Denali National Park) and many more.
His art has been featured in SPECTRUM: Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art #3 and Writers of the Future Vol 9. He won the Arts for the Parks Grand Canyon Award and has a painting in the permanent collection of the Grand Canyon Visitors Center-Kolb Gallery.
Brian is the author of the fantasy series Five Warrior Angels. He lives in Salt Lake City.